[00:00:00] Speaker A: Last play before the two minute warning. Rogers buys time, airs it out.
[00:00:06] Speaker B: Mike Williams fell down, and it is picked by Tyron Johnson of the game.
[00:00:15] Speaker A: By the way, the interception by Terran Johnson. Here's Allen.
[00:00:19] Speaker B: He's got it. Three, two, one.
[00:00:22] Speaker A: First down, Buffalo.
[00:00:39] Speaker B: Oh, this smug face. Oh, brutal. Absolutely brutal.
There's no other way to describe it. The New York. The New York jets lost a third consecutive game in predictable fashion with an Aaron Rodgers mistake and the defense folding, uh, as we fall to the Buffalo Bills, 23 to 20, I am your lost, confused, dejected host Raz Guevara, along with my executive producer, Mark Levine. Welcome to the just. Just, a podcast powered by RCG Digital media.
It turns out the greatest decision of the evening, uh, came from my co host, Rich McLeod, who decided today to skip today's recording because he had a wedding in Maine.
But like the loser jets fans that we are, let's jump right into this fucking debacle. Mark, sum up the evening for us, buddy. Tell me what's going through your head right now.
[00:01:39] Speaker C: I think we've. We're just going to turn this into a Yankee podcast. Hey, they won five two, right, giancarlo? Big home run, a couple of wildfishes by the Indians.
We're that much closer to a subway series, right? We're all in a great mood.
[00:01:53] Speaker B: I mean, like, of all the fucking years, we choose to start a sports podcast, right? We had multiple different teams to choose from. We root. We both root for the Yankees. We could have. Shit, we could have done a Mets podcast with rich.
[00:02:07] Speaker C: We could have done a Liberty podcast.
[00:02:10] Speaker B: But no, we chose to do a New York jets podcast in probably one of the toughest seasons that I can remember, man. Like, it's just such a shitty, empty feeling. It's just brutal. Absolutely brutal.
[00:02:30] Speaker C: I think that's just based on expectation alone.
[00:02:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:33] Speaker C: I mean, we came in to this season with high hopes, and I think that's just what makes it hurt that much more.
[00:02:40] Speaker B: Ah, yeah, man, I. Listen, that's. You hit the nail right on the head. Like, that's what makes this so painful. Last year, it was understood that Aaron Rodgers going down kind of just, you know, we knew what we were getting in Zach Wilson. We knew that what the expectations were just maybe potentially getting to a playoff. And all the buildup from the summer was just transported into this season.
And coming into the season, we sort of foolishly believe those newspaper clippings that we are a Super bowl contender and that we are built to win now. And everything was. Aaron Rogers is finally here to carry us on his broad shoulders. And, you know, we're just falling flat on our faces.
[00:03:35] Speaker C: In spectacular fashion.
[00:03:37] Speaker B: In spectacular fashion, man. It's just. It's just fucking shitty. It's shitty. It doesn't matter who the coach is. It doesn't matter who is calling the plays. What matters is the name on the side of the helmet and wearing the green and white. And that's ultimately what matters is, like, this team is cursed. This team is not destined to do anything for the entirety of our lifetimes. And that's not an exaggeration. Everybody just turns to shit when they put on that fucking uniform, regardless of who you are and what your accomplishments are.
But enough about me.
Tell me, man. Like, tell me, what was. What was your first thought that crossed your mind when Aaron Rodgers threw that pic?
[00:04:28] Speaker C: I believe my words were fucking believable. And my wife, who was sitting right next to me watching the game, goes, did he catch that? And I go, no, he fucking slipped. And it was intercepted.
[00:04:44] Speaker B: I'll tell you who was not surprised.
Our wonderful co host, who, like I said, we mentioned it was in Maine.
[00:04:51] Speaker C: Enjoying a wedding, but not too busy.
[00:04:54] Speaker B: About it wedding, but not too busy to tweet about the misery along with us. He tweeted, we all know how this game is going to end. The defense will lapse here and give up three to seven points. Mind you, this is before.
[00:05:05] Speaker C: This was right before the Tyler Bassfield goal.
[00:05:08] Speaker B: Exactly. The jets offense will go down the field, give you hope, and lose some stupid backbreaking.
And I mean, like, you can only just laugh at the predictability of this fucking shitty ass team is just. It's predictable. It's predictable the mistakes that are going to happen. I think at some point, I tweet, I and I put in our group chat, oh, missed tackles, pre snap penalties, drop passes. Stop me if you heard any of this before, because it ultimately, it doesn't really fucking matter who the coach is. And in our emergency podcast, Rich and I, we were talking about, I told them, my concern is that this team, the issue with Robert Salas sulking on the sideline was the least of our problems. Like, all of the things that he brought to the table, or dare I say, did not bring to the table, were not to the top of my list. On our problems list. We cannot cover. I'm sorry. We cannot protect the quarterback. We cannot run block. We did successfully today. Much better job. And there was a little tiny spark, um, in the new offense, in the offensive play caller and downing. But ultimately, at the end of the day, we are who we are. Our. Our team is who it is. Regardless of who is the head coach or who is playing, calling the plays. Um, our identity has been cast in stone and this is who we are. And these. This is the meddling team that we root for. And I just simply have no hope. I am. I am, like, foolish. I feel foolish in my expectations week in and week out. And I think I'm just so demoralized and so beaten along with anybody who is foolish enough to root for the jets.
[00:07:06] Speaker C: Man, I am right there with you. I mean, other than all those holding penalties, the running game was better, you know, except, unless you're going to discount the fact that Braylon Allen should add a touchdown that was called back for a holding.
[00:07:20] Speaker B: I mean, and the fucking penalties, dude.
[00:07:24] Speaker C: I mean, eleven penalties for 110 yards, multiple pass interference calls, multiple backbreaking holding calls on big plays.
It just was the thing that we were led to believe was. And maybe it's a little foolish to think that it was actually going to happen after like six days. Yeah, but the fact that Salah gets fired, Ulbrich is new head coach, and you're like, oh, there's going to be accountability.
Eleven penalties, 110 yards. Undisciplined football.
I know things aren't magically going to change that quickly, but some improvement would have been nice.
[00:08:06] Speaker B: I mean, and it's frustrating. And it's frustrating to hear it week in and week out. I mean, it's just frustrating. Let me, before we get to the game, balls, and I know, like, we, we have to at least look for some silver linings in this miserable game. But let me play this clip for you from Jeff Ulbricht.
[00:08:25] Speaker A: Obviously, you know, you can't be happy about the penalties, but these games are about moments, right? Guys played hard, stats were pretty close to close aboard. You talk about a drop on the end zone, got hit, rap makes a play, we don't make a catch. And then on the flip side, you get a ball down the middle, capturing the moment, maybe catching it by rucker to get. They make a play and knock the ball out. Just talk about how those momentum swings.
[00:08:47] Speaker B: Are big in the game.
[00:08:48] Speaker A: Yeah, they're huge. We got to make those plays.
And I know you referred to the penalties to begin with. Just, it's not good enough. We got to collectively look at it. Take a hard look at the tape, what's legit, what isn't, you know, because it's always, there's always telling from a discipline standpoint, though, that can't happen. It can't. It puts you behind the sticks and it just puts us behind before we even get started. So it's wasn't good enough in that way.
[00:09:16] Speaker B: Wasn't good enough. I mean, that's the story of the season. The jets are not good enough. It doesn't matter who is in there. Like, our personnel is not good enough. And regardless of what Woody Johnson thinks, this being the best roster he's assembled in years, ultimately your record says who you are.
[00:09:35] Speaker C: You are what your record says you.
[00:09:36] Speaker B: Are, and you are what your record says you are.
[00:09:39] Speaker C: You can be as good as you think you are on paper. But, you know, unfortunately, Tyron Smith kind of proves this point a little too much this week where you can be this amazing player on paper, but he was brutal today. So you can have, you can say you have all the talent in the world and this is the most talented team you have, but that means nothing unless you put it on the field and actually perform.
[00:10:03] Speaker B: All right, man, let's, let's do the most difficult task that we will do for this entire show, and that is look for some silver linings. Um, each week we award game balls to the contributors we feel deserve them. Uh, mark, who are you awarding the coveted Mark Levine Gainbowl to?
[00:10:22] Speaker C: Mine is going to be just a little nitpicky. It would have been Garrett Wilson.
I know he was thrown a hospital ball in the end zone that he dropped for what would have been his second touchdown of the game.
So just for that, maybe that's a little too nitpicky, but I'm going to go with Alan Lazard. Also a little nitpicky based on the fact that he didn't drop a ball.
He had six catches, 114 yards for probably the most important catch, the hell Mary at the end of the second quarter that he actually caught and came down with, surprisingly. But, yeah, seven targets, six catches, 114 yards a touchdown. He was there when Aaron Rogers needed him.
He was basically the go to on all those big players other than Garrett. And I think he deserves it probably a little more just for the fact that he didn't drop a pass, which is sadly something to be celebrated, I guess.
[00:11:27] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I'm right there with you, man. I, you know how I feel about Lazar personally. I just cannot stand him as a player. I just. But the chemistry with Aaron Rodgers is undeniable. The Hail Mary catch was just the highlight of the, of the game for, for us and gave us hope. Like the, the Bills had all the momentum heading into the halftime, receiving the ball first in the second half. And if we don't get those big seven points, you know, the Bills are up ten with the ball and all the momentum. Who knows how this game turns out? But, yeah, no, I'm right there with you. You know, 19 yards per reception. Obviously, that big 52 yard hail Mary kind of plays a role into that, but just not dropping a pass is commendable for him. And, yeah, I. That Garrett Wilson, if he just holds on, man, that's a completely different ballgame as far as me. Breece Hall. Brees hall in the running game, look creative, look completely different than we've seen all season long. Even in the Patriots game, I felt like this game, we tried different things. And the new offensive play caller, I want to call him offensive coordinator, but that's not his title. He's still the passing game coordinator. He's just calling the offensive plays. Todd downing. Um, but Bruce hall. Bruce hall. Um, this is the player that we've been waiting on all season. Um, he showed the burst. He showed the quick movements. He looked like he was just, he stopped thinking, and it was just kind of reacting and exploding through the halls. Um, ultimately, it did not matter because the outcome was the same. But, um, you know, he put all the tools that he has on display. He rushed for 18 carries with 113 yards. He caught five receptions for another 56 yards. Um, he did fail to deliver that touchdown that we needed this evening. Um, he had one man to beat on that long run down the sideline, and he was just unable to shake that one defender to be able to get into the end zone. And, and that, that, I felt like was the theme of the evening. We did a lot of great things. Um, but when it came down to it, when we came, you know, that last, you know, defender that we needed to elude or that last block that we needed to get or that last pass that we needed to complete, we just, you know, fell short.
[00:13:37] Speaker C: Fell short. Mentioned he also could have broken off another big one had the aforementioned Tyron Smith not completely whiffed on a block.
[00:13:46] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And the offensive line was a huge issue, man. Huge issue. We just can't seem to put a complete game together at all. Like, we, we do good on the running game, we falter in the passing pass protection. We do good in the pass protection. We falter in the run blocking, and it's just like, we cannot. And that, that, as a whole, is what, what defines this entire team. Right. We, we play well defensively. We can't put together a good offensive game today. We had a decent offensive game. Our, we couldn't stop a nosebleed in the, in the infamous words of Bart Scott, like, it was just, you know, we cannot rely on, on a complete team effort at all from this team.
Ah, man. Fucking, we're so, like, low energy and so, like, be in, like, we're like, we're like, just abused here, man.
[00:14:37] Speaker C: It's just, it's so funny because I think the first episode that we ever recorded and I think we did the season predictions and I was like, oh, I think I'm going to be the voice of optimism on this podcast. And all I can think of here is you're giving the game, your game ball to Bruce hall. And all I could think of is that first drive where breeze dropped, misses the catch on third and four where they could have set the tone early, scored. As I said, the pass was a little bit in front of him, but he got his hand on it, could have caught it, makes a fourth down. They had to settle for the field goal instead of going for that early touchdown to sort of set the tone.
So, yeah, I think this, this podcast has made me more negative, and I don't like it because I really want it to be the voice of optimism.
[00:15:32] Speaker B: Well, you're failing. You're failing miserably and you're dragging us all with you, Mark.
[00:15:37] Speaker C: I hope I like the jets when I fail. Fail spectacularly as well.
[00:15:42] Speaker B: With that being said, let's just head into our first quarter topic, which is Aaron Rodgers done?
Despite the voice of optimism, Mark Levine here bringing the mood completely down with his negative thoughts.
We're going to try to get this show back on track here.
We like to dive into four different talking points coming out of game, each corresponding to a quarter of a football game. Um, last week, we asked if the season was over after the loss of the Vikings, and that was even before we got the news that Robert Sala was fired. Um, this week, we. We sort of know that the season is not going the way we want it. Dare I say the season might potentially be over. Um, but we come out of this game with a completely different question. At least I do. Um, is Aaron Rodgers done? Is, is Aaron Rodgers as an elite quarterback? The way we remember him prior to the injury in the glory days of the tail end of his packers career, is that Aaron Rodgers done? Mark? We saw a little bit of the old Rogers magic on that Hail Mary play with Lizard right before the half. But at this point, those flashes are merely that flashes, right? Like he has failed to deliver, as we said, in the opening three consecutive games. Late in the game, late in the game with the ball in his hand, the outcome has become predictable. Now, like we. We expect to lose rather than him infusing us with the hope that we're going to pull it out regardless of who the coaches. Is it fair to ask that that Aaron Rogers is done?
[00:17:33] Speaker C: I mean, it's really hard to say. I mean, Aaron Rodgers played a. A pretty good game today. 23 of 35, 294 yards, two touchdowns. You know, you played that all brick fight before. And while, while that was going on, I was refreshing Twitter X, whatever you want to call it. Aaron Rogers was at the podium. Connor Hughes asked him about the interception and he seemed to say that Mike Williams ran the wrong route on the play.
[00:18:04] Speaker B: Mm. I mean, what specifically did you see on the throw? How would you throw up?
[00:18:09] Speaker A: There's two verticals, you know, Allen's down the seam, Mike's down redline.
So I'm looking at how and he puts his hand up. Three guys go with him. So I'm throwing a no look to the red line. And when I just peek my eyes back there, he's running a inbreaker. So it's gotta be down the red line.
[00:18:29] Speaker B: Use rowing. That's to come back to it.
[00:18:32] Speaker A: No, I was throwing it to the red line, but when I got to about here, I realized he was running in breaker so I had to kind of adjust it a little bit. But the play is two guys vertical, one guy down the seam, one guy.
[00:18:42] Speaker C: On the red line, if that's the case. And, you know, obviously Mike Williams misplayed the ball because, you know, he had to stop, try to come back to it, which caused him to slip, which caused the interception. If it is true that he ran the wrong route, there is a chance Aaron Rogers still leads them down for a game winning drive. I mean, he's got three touchdowns and no interceptions.
[00:19:08] Speaker B: Right.
[00:19:08] Speaker C: As opposed to last week when he threw three interceptions. And this could be a completely different conversation.
So I don't know if he's completely done. He, he.
[00:19:20] Speaker B: I mean, the counterpoint. I mean, the counterpoint to that would be that Mike Williams only had three targets the entire game.
[00:19:28] Speaker C: That's true as well.
[00:19:29] Speaker B: Not completely involved in the offense. And as a quarterback, it is your job to get to know your personnel and know that you need to. He's done a fantastic job kind of rekindling that relationship with Garrett Wilson. He has gone above and beyond with the targets with him. Another ten targets for him today. Eight receptions, 107 yards.
But he has failed, to the detriment of the team, to continue to build any sort of chemistry with Mike Williams.
Yes, we are getting these lazard games, but like, when you need a most, your six foot four X receiver has no receptions and then you're going to him at the end of the game and expecting him to, to essentially adjust on the fly. It was a very poorly thrown ball. I mean, it was under thrown.
[00:20:22] Speaker C: Well, how much of that is. What route was he.
[00:20:26] Speaker B: Whether. Yes, right. Yes. Now that's a good point. But at the end of the day, we can only judge Aaron by what he is here to do. Let me play this short clip for you from the actual podium presser today, as I've had the ball lately.
Take the lead and do it. I mean, how frustrating is it that.
[00:20:43] Speaker A: Yeah, it's frustrating. I'm here to win those games, but we gotta be on our details. You know, it's little things every single time.
[00:20:54] Speaker B: See that, see that? That's the thing that I wanna, I wanna talk about the details. Right. The detail in the game preview that I wrote. I talked a lot about the control that Aaron Rodgers requires at the line of scrimmage, the control that he demands in terms of adjusting and changing plays. And look, a lot of these quarterbacks, the elite hall of Fame quarterbacks, essentially play these chess games with the defense and how much of that improvisational kind of playstyle is to, to blame for the lack of cohesion and the lack of the receivers knowing where they're supposed to be? Is it fair to say that because he's improvising so much on the fly and expecting his receivers to, to kind of essentially know what they're supposed to be doing? Is it, is it too much to ask for a call to be called in the huddle, breaking the huddle with everyone knowing exactly what they're supposed to be doing and then running that play? Is that too much to ask or are you limiting Rogers and this offense? At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter because we're failing either fucking way. Right? But, like, why is it that we're so deep into the season and this happens every single week that players either run the wrong route or don't know where they're supposed to be or are just on a completely different, and it takes different. I mean, it was Garrett last week, you know what I'm saying? Like, Tyler Conklin today was an on factor three targets.
It's just, it's just players disappear from the scheme. How much is that, do you think is on Rogers improvisational style versus just the lack of efficiency or lack of doing their job from the receiving core?
[00:23:04] Speaker C: I mean, I think a lot of it is on Aaron's improve improvisational style. You can go into practice all week and talk about these things, but once the game is happening and the play is actually unfolding, you can't predict what's gonna happen if the play breaks down where you're supposed to be. If Aaron sees something, you're supposed to know how to, to switch your route at the last minute or know exactly where he wants you to be. It's kind of difficult to, to go through in practice because it's not going to play out exactly like a game situation.
[00:23:43] Speaker B: Exactly. Yeah.
[00:23:44] Speaker C: No, so, I mean, unless Aaron has specifics, it's, it's really hard to predict those things. And I think a lot of it should fall on him.
[00:23:55] Speaker B: I mean, I sort of agree with you. I I just. At the end of the day, this is, we've talked about it. The reason why Robert Salah lost his job is because this is a results oriented business, regardless of his focal point being the defense or not. And they were the quote, unquote strong part of this team.
At the end of the day, you are judged by the wins and the losses. You are judged by what you can and cannot do. And at this stage of his, the season, Aaron Rodgers has proven time and time again that he is unable, with the game on the line, to drive his team to victory. And it's, and it's weird because it's not that you're running out of time. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not a time management thing. It's not that, like, we're hustling to the line and we just can't get a playoff. Um, it's, it's the way we are losing with the Broncos, we lost with so much time on still on the clock. We could have run the play. It's just, with the Vikings, it's that back breaking interception, like, on a terribly thrown ball to Mike Williams, who wasn't very much involved in the passing game in this week.
[00:25:09] Speaker C: It was apparently ran the wrong route then as well.
[00:25:13] Speaker B: I mean, but you, you're like, I.
[00:25:15] Speaker C: Mean, you're, you're going under the assumption that you should believe what they're saying about it, but true.
[00:25:21] Speaker B: And, I mean, we know that Aaron Rodgers has been known to stretch the truth a little bit. Let's talk. We know you and I, you and I worked together at a news organization where we covered his vaccination, you know, like, I'm immune. What did he, what did he call himself? He said he was.
He was not vaccinated. He was immunized or something.
Like. Like, Aaron's been known to stress the truth. There is a whole issue about his helmet. Remember, his helmet was. Was. Was ruled, like, by the NFL to be not meet safety standards. And he was like, well, no, no, I'm going to change it. I'm going to get a different brand that. A company that I'm investing in. And ultimately, he continues to wear the same helmet. And then he tells everyone, oh, no, they changed the padding on the inside, so now it meets regulation standards. I don't believe him. It doesn't matter. Like, time and time again, he has proven to. To stretch the truth. So at this point, when he says, oh, the receiver ran the wrong route, I don't believe you. I don't believe you. Unless Mike Williams comes out tomorrow and says, yes, my bad, I ran the wrong route. But it's just like, I don't. I just. It's gotten to the point where I do not believe Aaron Rodgers when he says what he says. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just. I've lost all hope that he can lead this team to anything but a, you know, a potential seven eight win season, if that. And even that's like, stretching it. I don't. I have no hope that if we, like, he was supposed to be the final piece. You know what I'm saying? Like, he was supposed to be the piece that we needed to compete and to take us to the next level, but now it's like, oh, no, now we know we need Devante Adams. He needs his receiver. You know what I'm saying? Like, he. Like, no, like, that's not. You were supposed to be the final.
[00:27:22] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:27:22] Speaker B: Saying like, oh, it's fucking frustrating.
[00:27:25] Speaker C: The. The only pushback I'll give on that is if. If he is saying these things and they aren't true, that is the absolute quickest way to lose this receiving, set a core and lose the locker room. And. And I think he's been around the league long enough to know that. And I don't think that's something that he is considering even doing.
[00:27:49] Speaker B: I mean, push the, especially.
[00:27:54] Speaker C: His big thing was also accountability.
So how can you go and say, oh, we need accountability? And then he's gonna, you know, shift the blame to other people if it's really.
[00:28:04] Speaker B: I mean, let's. Let's. Let's call a spade a spade, though the tail end of his packers career, he was. So he would go on podcasts. He would go on and just completely talk about all emotions, all emotions and how he didn't like all the motions. Like he's known to say things, you know, out of frustration in the moment. He is not one to measure his voice. Like, for example, the Calvin Ridley. This week, Calvin Ridley had a terrible drop late in the game. And it's a very perfect example of, of what happened with Mike Williams today. He had a terrible, terrible drop at the end of the game that could have. Could have won the game for the Titans. And he is incredibly frustrated. He goes, yes, I have to be better, but you also have to involve me earlier in the game. He says, I can't be not targeted the entire first half. And then you expect me to have any sort of flow or chemistry. That's Calvin Ridley with a young quarterback saying this. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, it's important for these QB ones to. To, you know, to get involved in the. In the scheme when you expecting them to, you know, to. When you're supposed to count on them. But again, I'm rambling because of my, my just complete and utter disgust in this team. I am turning on Aaron Rogers. He's losing me. Forget about the fucking locker room. He's losing me.
[00:29:26] Speaker C: And once you lose raw, so you lose the nation.
That's what they used to say about, like, Walter Cronkite, right? Once you lose Cronkite, you've lost the nation. Something like that.
[00:29:37] Speaker B: Something like that.
[00:29:38] Speaker C: For all you older jet fans out there.
[00:29:40] Speaker B: Oh, mandy. Um, look, we had some hope at the beginning. The offense looked like it found its footing and we were moving the ball, and I was like, oh, man, we've turned the corner. But ultimately, the game was lost not just because of Aaron Rodgers. Um, it was lost because of the defensive effort. Um, and let's talk about what went wrong, uh, with the defense today.
Look, everything is Aaron Rodgers fault. And no, just kidding. Just kidding.
As I said in our emergency podcast, when Robert Sala was fired, that I was concerned that Jeff Ulbricht would not have adequate time to prepare, giving his new responsibilities, giving that the change was done so late in the week Tuesday.
How do you think Jeff Ulbricht did with his game plan on the defensive side of the ball?
[00:30:38] Speaker C: I mean, coming into the game, they were already down Michael Carter. Yep. During the game, they lost Chuck Clark to an ankle injury. They lost DJ Reed to a groin injury at one point, they lost will macdonald for a little bit. So this defense kind of was already playing down a lot.
I mean, the first drive, the Bills march down the field, score a touchdown.
[00:31:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:09] Speaker C: You know, they did one pass play.
[00:31:12] Speaker B: One.
[00:31:13] Speaker C: One pass play.
[00:31:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:16] Speaker C: For the second time this season, a backup running back completely gashes the Jets. Ray Davis had 20 carries for 97 yards. He led all Buffalo Bills in receiving yards with 55 on three catches.
He was essentially, him and Josh Allen were their entire offense.
So once again, the jets get destroyed by a backup running back. They can't stop the run.
Just tons and tons of penalties.
I know a lot of people were complaining. Some of the pass interference calls were a little suspect.
But, you know, this, this defense already down, a lot of people still can't seem to stop to run. They got lucky foe to back. He was supposed to be guy that was supposed to help this run defense. He comes back, they still can't do anything.
So, you know, this defense did not play well. Michael Javon Kinlaw, three penalties on one, one drive that essentially ended up costing them the game. Michael Clemens, everyone knew Josh Allen was running the ball on that final play. Clements looks like he's going to set the edge. Comes inside a little bit less. Josh Allen, get to the outside. You know, you can't really expect him to chase Josh Allen in the open field, but he's got to do a better job of setting the edge there. There's just so many plays you can point to that could have been avoided.
[00:32:41] Speaker B: I mean, at this point, it's. It's like, it's. It's the same old song. Week in and week out, missed tackles, pre snap panel. It's the same shit every fucking week, man. Like, Ray Davis.
Ray fucking Davis. Like, rich was like, who the fuck is Ray Davis? You're like, fourth rounder. I'm like, dude, it doesn't fucking matter who is lining up. I was expecting Frank or junior to fucking do this to us. Like, it did not matter. The jets cannot be counted on to, to do what they're supposed to be doing. It doesn't matter who's the quarterback. It doesn't matter what Jeff Ulbricht is saying. It doesn't matter whether he's, he's fucking comatose in the sideline or not at this point. Like, we are not a good football team. We are not a good offensive football team. We're not a good defensive football team. We are self imploding. And the worst part is that we're doing on Monday Night Football with the entire league watching again, just like week.
[00:33:43] Speaker C: One against the 49 ers, just like week one came in high expectations. They got completely exposed.
[00:33:51] Speaker B: I mean, dude, it's. It's brutal. It's. It's like week in and week out, it's the same shit. Like, any spark that we could have gotten from, you know, Olbrake taking on the defense and like. Like, fuck, I'm tired of hearing about accountability. You know when I'm going to be happy if Ken Law is cut from the team or benched. I didn't see Solomon Thomas. I got to look at the play count. Our pass rush was non existent, right? Like, it just did not exist at all. Like, it's just, it's frustrating when you know that you're going up against Josh Allen and I know that he is a mobile running quarterback, but just to not being able to bring him down when it seemed like he was a caught for a sack time and time again, like, it's just, it's just the expectations based on, on, on what we have on paper, right? According to Woody Johnson, we. This is the best team we've had in decades, right? And the reason why he fired Robert Salah is because he needed a change, because he needed us to get back on track to where we were supposed to be. We're not supposed to be. This is who we are. Spencer Brown did not allow a single pressure at all in any of the first three games this season. But, like, supposedly he was struggling coming into this game. Nope. Will McDonald nonexistent. Like, our pass rush non existent. Like, it's just.
It's foolish for us to think that we're going to turn this around, man. I'm fucking so demoralized. I am beat and lost in, like, like, just everything fucking our kicking game. Like, every aspect of this football team is crumbling before our very eyes. Every aspect of this fucking team is ass. And will revert back to these tendencies of being ass until we maybe get rid of Woody Johnson, sell the team, move to caucus, change our team colors, maybe name. I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't fucking know. I. At this point, like, I don't even care what Jeff Ulbricht scheme was coming into the game. It did not fucking matter. It did not matter. Like, we knew that it was windy. We knew that they weren't going to run you pass the ball heavily at the beginning. We knew what this team can do. And I, they punched us in the mouth. They came in, ran it eight straight times. They didn't have a third down in the entire first drive. They just ran the ball, ran the ball, ran the ball. They were like, pushing us around. Like, it's just like, what he is supposed to represent. What Olbrook is supposed to represent. This tough, hard nose, kind of like, aggressive tendency. It doesn't fucking matter, dude. Like, you could bring Bill Belichick and we would look like ass. You can bring Bill coward, you can raise chug. No from the dead, and we would still be a shitty fucking defense because that is the DNA of this fucking team.
[00:36:54] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, it's crazy. The, um, I think the, the big thing was, um, right before that insane Hail Mary where the Bills are up, 1310. Um, the jets need to get a stop.
They can't recover the fumble from, from Josh Allen. Quincy can't jump on it. So the Bills get the ball back.
It's third and eleven.
They look like they're going to sack Josh Allen. He, he eludes two defenders, throws that touchdown to Dawson Knox.
Like, they, they couldn't tackle.
They couldn't get any sort of pass rush when it counted.
I mean, this, this defense was just an embarrassment today.
[00:37:43] Speaker B: That's. Yeah, no, that's, that's the perfect word to. But here's the problem, though. Like, I don't even think they're fucking embarrassed, dude. Like, I don't even think they give a shit. Like, every week is the same shit. Oh, we just got to go out and do this stuff and got him. Gotta turn the corner. Gotta look at the tape. Like, I'm sick of this shit.
[00:38:00] Speaker C: You can look at the tape all you want, but if you don't fix these things, nothing ever changes.
[00:38:06] Speaker B: We keep shooting ourselves in the foot. Gary Wilson, we keep shooting ourselves in the foot. And it's something we've been doing, something we've been emphasizing all throughout the practice week, and we still go out there and do these things that keep us out of the end zone. I mean, like, that's, that's your star receiver saying these things. That's not fucking, like, the blame game is on. Like, it's just, like, it's just tough, man. It's just tough and demoralizing when, when your star receivers using words like demoralizing and, like, it's just, you know, running pretty much the same stuff, just executed better. That's what breeze hall says. Like, dude, it's just fucking shitty. We can't count on our offense. We can't count our hall of fame quarterback. We can't count on our defense.
And we don't know if reinforcements are coming. Like, we. We don't know if we're getting, you know, Devontae Adams. We don't know if we're getting Hassan Reddick. We don't know if we're firing Ulbricht and getting in Bill Belichick. We don't know if, you know, Woody Johnson is just going to sell the team. I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen.
[00:39:06] Speaker C: I can think. I think we could safely say two of those things are definitely not happening. Woody Johnson is not selling a team and we are. Ambassador Belichick. Ambassador Johnson.
[00:39:16] Speaker B: Ambassador Johnson.
[00:39:17] Speaker C: Sorry. Ambassador Johnson.
[00:39:19] Speaker B: Like, why would. Why would anyone want to come here?
Like, why would anyone want to come here seeing this, right? The trope of same old jets. Like, if you are Hasan Reddick had the right idea. Rich McLeod had the right idea. Let's just get as far away from this as possible and maybe our mental health will be better for it. Like, it's just we are the same, all jets. And as much as it pains me to say that that is the. That is the truth. Like, oh, fuck, dude, this is fucking shitty.
[00:40:02] Speaker C: I also think it's crazy how we're 41 minutes into the podcast, we haven't mentioned Greg Zurline.
[00:40:09] Speaker B: Ah, Greg the fucking leg.
I mean, let's talk about him now. I mean, what the fuck is going on with him?
Like, statistically, like, if you try a hundred times to hit the upright, like, what are the chances that you're going to hit it twice? Twice back to back in opposite ends of the fucking stadium?
Like, statistically improbable, right?
[00:40:35] Speaker C: It's so funny because we went from last season saying Greg Zurlan was the mvp of the team to this season. Greg Zurline missed field goal after missed field goal.
You know, they had Siebert in training camp.
They showcased him. He was amazing. He's doing great.
And, you know, everyone wants to talk about Joe Douglas and whether or not he's a good GM. There was probably zero chance they were going to cut Greg Zurlan and keep Siebert. But those are the kind of GM decisions that make or break whether or not you should stay employed.
I mean, and for some reason, the jets constantly seem to make the wrong decision.
[00:41:22] Speaker B: Like, we just cannot hit on anything, right? He's one for three and four of 40 to 49 yards. He's over one for 50. I mean, right now, right?
[00:41:32] Speaker C: And those used to be automatic for.
[00:41:34] Speaker B: And those. Right, there's automatic. And I was going to say that this season, I feel like everyone's hitting from 55, 50. Like, this is probably the, the era of the strong legged kickers. The success rate of kickers is, like, through the roof and astronomical. And everyone's talking about, like, these, how strong the kickers are and except, you.
[00:41:53] Speaker C: Know, I mean, Kai Fairbairn hit, what, a 57 yard field goal to win that game for the Texans last week.
[00:42:00] Speaker B: I mean, yeah, 59, 59, 59 or 56. 56 or 59, but it's still like, it's just insane, dude. Like, when, when one thing goes wrong, it just infects everything else and everything else slowly starts going to shit. And, and that's, that's the truth. Like, um, and that's the perfect segue. Um, going to shit is the perfect segue, uh, into our third quarter, which is where do we go from here?
I mean, this is like, quickly going off the rails. This has become just like a bitch fest therapy session, but a much needed one because it's just this team that we root for.
It doesn't matter what changes that we do. New coach Neo, offensive play caller we still don't have a pass rush, still missing tackles. RQB is still getting his ass kicked every week.
He's not getting any fucking younger. I mean, mark, where do we go from here? Like what?
[00:43:08] Speaker C: Give me. We don't go in.
[00:43:10] Speaker B: Where do we go from here?
[00:43:11] Speaker C: We don't go anywhere. Good.
I know. In the next quarter we're going to talk about the look ahead next week against the Steelers.
Spoiler alert, I don't think they're going to win that game.
The Steelers have a lot of the things that you struggle with, a great defense, a mobile quarterback, a good rushing attack.
The week after that they play the Patriots.
Who knows? You know, Drake may could be good. You know, he had a couple of great plays this week, so he didn't look absolutely terrible. The jets historically do a good job of taking on rookie quarterbacks and making them look like rookies. Then you've got the Halloween game against the Texans, the Cardinals. I mean, this is a rough schedule. Cardinals mobile quarterback, colts mobile quarterback, Seahawks.
[00:44:07] Speaker B: Yeah, it's just, it doesn't get any easier, man.
[00:44:11] Speaker C: It does not get any easier. The next few weeks.
I don't know where they go from here.
Maybe there's a possibility that the Devontae Adams trade happens and maybe he catches those balls that Mike Williams is dropping or that Alan Lazard has dropped.
Maybe, you know, Drew Rosenhouse is this magic deal maker and he can get Hassan Reddick in here. But, you know, barring like a miracle. I don't see where they go from here. That's actually a good spot. Right now, there are two games now back from the bills. They've lost this one. The best they can do is split with them.
And then it comes down to all the convoluted tiebreakers and stuff like that. But right now, you're two games behind them.
[00:44:59] Speaker B: Yeah. And, I mean, one of the things that. That gave me hope. See, this week, it was like this emotional roller coaster. When we recorded the emergency podcast, I went on record as saying, like, I did not like the firing of Robert Sala independently of in my current job. I witnessed firsthand what the firing of a coach and the firing of a general manager does to a person. Like, I've worked in media for a very, very long time. I've worked in production for a very long time. Along with you, we've worked in news, we've worked in baseball.
This current job that I have was the very, very first time that I got to see in meetings and speak to and have relationships with people who have lost their jobs due to the product on the field.
And I see how mentally taxing it is and how it impacts family and it impacts every moment of your life, knowing that you have no control whether you keep your job or not.
The person that I work very, very closely got fired, got sick, went to the hospital, was in the hospital for weeks on end, and ultimately, the decision was made to fire him because of the results on the field. And it just felt inhumane and cruel. But ultimately, like, this is the jobs that they go into, and they know that these are the possibilities that regardless of how good you are at your job, other. Your job security is with other people. Right? Like, ultimately, regardless of how good you are, Mark, at your job, your job security belongs to someone else, and it belongs to a collective group of people that you've brought together to try to win a football game. And I went on record of saying that I did not think that this team, regardless of whether we kept Robert Sala or not, that the issues with this team had nothing to do with who the head coach was, had everything to do with who the leadership is on this team, who the leaders are. Right? And you might have a Quinn and Williams, for example, being this, the highly paid, kind of pro Bowler leader of your team who disappears and who can't make a sack when you need him to. Right? You have, like, these super loud and boisterous quarter corner cornerback that everyone wants to have on their team, and he who is on the COVID of magazines and is tweeting and is supposedly one of the best in base in football.
He can't make an interception to seal a game. You know what I'm saying?
[00:47:55] Speaker C: It's just people get on his tackling.
[00:47:57] Speaker B: People get on his tackling or, or, or the players who are supposed to lead and carry and take you to the next level just do not exist on our roster at this moment. It's just not. Garrett Wilson.
Phenomenal offensive talent. Had tremendous, a ton of fucking yards after catch today. Finally seems to be getting on the same page with quarterback. He is not one of the best receivers in football and he is not able to make a catch to win you a football game. And that is just the truth. Like, that is the truth. The players, the best players that we have on our team are not playmakers, are not players who can overcome deficiencies, overcome shitty calls at the end of a game over. And that extends to Aaron Rodgers. Like, that is to a man. Yeah, we lack those playmakers that we can all see and identify and be like, oh, Mark, he's got it. Oh, he's got that it factor that can win you a game through sheer will. You know, the, the, you know, the Jamar chases of the world. You know what I'm saying? And there's few of them. And like, look, I'm not complaining, I'm not bitching because there's only a handful of them in the NFL, right? The TJ Watts, who you can count on to fucking seal a game and fucking force a fumble when you need him to. You know what I'm saying? Players like of that, that character, the Matt Staffords, you can say he's gonna fucking break his arm and still get up and try to throw a touchdown pass to a new game. And prior to coming to this team, Aaron Rodgers was seen as that. But when you, like, inspect it and you analyze it, I was like, oh, man, no, you've always been kind of like this wild card player who thinks he's actually smarter than he really is.
Just, I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't know. Where do we go from here? I don't know if, like, we honestly have anything short of just fucking tearing the whole shit down and starting over. Like, Jesus Christ, we're fucking six weeks into the season.
[00:50:11] Speaker C: I mean, other than the blind optimism of the more Jeff Ulbricht does this, maybe the. The better he'll get.
[00:50:21] Speaker B: Talk me off the ledge. Come on, give it.
[00:50:24] Speaker C: I don't know that I can because I'm inching closer to that ledge with you.
[00:50:29] Speaker B: Oh, man. It's. It's.
You know what the worst part is, Mark, is that our quarterback is going to be 41 years old.
We don't have a backup that we can trust to. You know what I'm saying?
[00:50:47] Speaker C: At least you have no faith in Jordan Travis, who looks like Adrian Martinez. Jordan Travis, who looks like. He. He was the best quarterback in college football last year. Based on this season, the way FSU is playing, the way FSU is playing this season, I.
[00:51:06] Speaker B: It's just I want to have a glimmer of hope, and there's nothing that I can see or look to that gives me that glimmer of hope.
I don't. I just don't see it. Garrett Wilson is not that guy. Garrett Wilson is not a superstar.
I mean, let's just call a spade a spade. Quentin Williams not a superstar. Aaron Rogers used to be one. He no longer is.
That's just the truth of the matter. That's just.
[00:51:37] Speaker C: Everyone was like Bruce hall, second best running back in the NFL.
You know, he had a great game this week, but, you know, he had a couple of duds. You know, who knows what he is right now, right.
[00:51:51] Speaker B: Even when he has a great game, he is unable to make that last move to get into the end zone to win you a game. That's what I'm saying. That is to a man, every player on this roster is unable to carry you to a victory. Unable. Unable. And it's just like, they are not difference makers. They are not playmakers. They are not superstars. There are no superstars on the jets, and that is the difference between winning and losing the National Football League, that the teams that have a superstar and a difference maker and a playmaker are the ones who win and win consistently, and we just don't have one on this roster.
Maybe we can trade for one. Who knows? And even that, maybe he'll revert back to being shit because he's wearing green and white.
[00:52:41] Speaker C: Yep. Who knows how much you did not talk.
I told you, I'm inching right there with you. I don't know that I can.
[00:52:49] Speaker B: It's just. I mean, maybe if rich.
[00:52:51] Speaker C: I would say maybe if Rich was here, he's probably the most negative out of the three of us, so he'd probably be the one pushing you off.
[00:53:00] Speaker B: I mean, it's. It's tough. It's. It's a tough. It's a tough evening. It's a tough game. We are. It's miserable, and it's only going to get worse. Next week. We're going to Pittsburgh.
[00:53:15] Speaker C: Even in another primetime game.
[00:53:18] Speaker B: In another primetime game. Even Pittsburgh, for example, you look around the league, right? In. In, you try to like, oh, fuck, let's. Let me see who's worse than we are. I guess you can say the Browns are in shittier position than we are, but at the end of the day, they have Miles Garrett.
They could tear down the offense. They could try to find a sucker to take Deshaun Watson, and they have assets to try and rebuild on the fly. They're a shitty organization. Probably just as equally as bad as we are. But at least they have at least Sean Watson, who's not 40, he has a shitty contract, and, you know, he's the whole sexual deviant predator type shit, which is horrible, right? But, like, look around the league. Who's. Who's got a worse situation than we do?
The dolphins, probably. They still got Tyreek. I mean, two was, they got Tyreek.
[00:54:15] Speaker C: They've got waddle. They've got a chan who. Who looks like when he's healthy, a really good running back. They. They just don't have the stability at quarterback.
[00:54:25] Speaker B: And more importantly, they have Mike McDaniels.
What do we have? Jeff Ulbricht. Like, that's another thing. That's the other thing that I mentioned in the Emergency podcast. And we'll segue into our fourth quarter now because I know I'm fucking rambling and it's getting late. And that's the other thing that I mentioned about the decision to fire Robert Sala. They have already identified Jeff Ulbricht as a future head coach, right? He was already identified as that. He was a rising star. Everybody talked about how great he was, X's and O's, how much a person, a motivator.
Now, you bring him in in the middle of the season, you thrust his job upon him, basically setting him up to fail. Setting him up to fail.
And what happens when he does?
The jets are going to look for another head coach. They're not going to fucking keep Ulbricht and basically tarnish a potential future head coach, a potentially successful head coach, who then will take this opportunity and these learning lessons to take it to his next job. The same way Robert Sala. Robert Sala is going to get a job the moment he wants one as a defensive coordinator and go right back into coaching. You know who's not going to get another job after this? Nathaniel Hackett. You know who's probably not going to get a job after this? Aaron Rodgers, Joe Douglas is probably going to be fired. You can't give a man, you know, three different quarterbacks and three different head coaches and, and say, oh, man, we'll get him next time. Joe did a good job, you know what I'm saying? Like this, where do we go from here? Is, is not a good place. And you think this dark this evening, it's going to get a lot darker a lot quicker because this season is going off the fucking rails. And, yeah, I mean, let's just hope the Yankees go deep into the World Series.
[00:56:17] Speaker C: I'm still rooting for that liberty championship.
[00:56:19] Speaker B: Hey, uh, that, maybe that'll, that'll, you.
[00:56:23] Speaker C: Know, Knicks run defeated in the preseason.
[00:56:25] Speaker B: Hey, let's, uh, let's keep this fucking jolly good show rolling, huh? Let's talk a little bit about the Steeler matchup.
Oh, man, this fucking show is going off the fucking rails in quick. Um, it knew that rich was the.
[00:56:46] Speaker C: Stability on the show.
[00:56:47] Speaker B: He was a stability. He is the Robert Sala of this podcast.
[00:56:54] Speaker C: He has the glue that hold us together.
[00:56:56] Speaker B: He was the glue that held us.
[00:56:57] Speaker C: Together and without him, but does not hold any of us accountable.
[00:57:02] Speaker B: Hold us accountable. And because of him, we are able to go off on tangents and take on this show in different.
[00:57:10] Speaker C: Because we lack discipline.
[00:57:11] Speaker B: We lack discipline. Yeah. We are the jetse a ton of.
[00:57:15] Speaker C: We are an extension of that team. We are undisciplined.
[00:57:20] Speaker B: We have taken the identity of the team we root for.
[00:57:23] Speaker C: Exactly.
[00:57:25] Speaker B: We are undisciplined, lack structure, lack stability, and lack of future. Fuck, that's dark.
But anyway, let's talk about the matchup against the Pittsburgh. You tease a little bit about how, how it's difficult and how the team that they have actually are the teams that pose the most challenges for, for the jets. What do you, what do you expect out of that matchup?
[00:57:51] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, I did tease it a little bit before.
This Pittsburgh team does everything that the jets struggle against.
They have a mobile quarterback. Justin Fields is 231 rushing yards on the season.
They have a big bruising back in. Najee Harris just can't stop the run right now. They have a great defense.
This matchup does not look good for the jets at all.
I don't have any expectations whatsoever that they are going to win this game.
I mean, they have a great tight end. The jets historically have struggled to cover tight ends. Pat firemuth is, is a very good tight end. I everything that this Steeler and Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin is the biggest x factor. He will probably out coach jeff ulbricht to no end. This. This Steelers team is the, basically the antithesis of everything that the jets are, and they do everything well that the jets struggle against.
[00:58:55] Speaker B: So let me get this right. They have a better coach, they have a better running game, they have a better defense. They have two options at quarterback, because if Justin Fields is unable to cut the mustard, they have Russell Wilson waiting in the winds. In the wings.
They are the number one over by overall rushing efficiency, the number one defense against the rush. Their pressure rate is middle of the pack.
But TJ Watt is going to have a lot of fun with. Yeah.
[00:59:28] Speaker C: TJ Watts, amazing. Cam Hayward.
[00:59:31] Speaker B: Cam Hayward. Like, they're going to have fun with our offensive line unless we can kind of get it together. Um.
It sucks. It sucks.
There are plus seven turnover differential.
It's just, they're four and two. We're two and four. I mean, like, it comes down to coaching, Manda comes down to coaching and having a handful of playmakers on your team. And as we were discussing earlier, they have them. They have those playmakers that can motivate and carry you and take, make, be the difference in a game.
I mentioned this before, but one of a coach that I used to coach with said that there's five plays, five plays that make a difference in a game. And you never know when those five plays are going to pop up and the best players know to perform and know how to identify those plays and look and carry you to victory. And we don't have any of those players on our team.
Shit. Like, even fucking Josh Allen, like, needed to make one play to win the game and he did it. Like, regardless of whether it was Clemens or whoever was there, like, first of all, like, how do you not know when they go overload, right, that he was going to definitely roll it out on the opposite side and everyone knew.
[01:00:45] Speaker C: What they were doing.
[01:00:46] Speaker B: Everyone knew.
[01:00:47] Speaker C: Everyone knew the play call I was watching. You know what? Honestly, even Michael Clemens knew the play call because he set up like, he was playing it perfectly and unable to stop him.
[01:00:58] Speaker B: One on one. Just unable, unable, unable. So, in short, the jets are going to win, blow out the steelers, and. Yeah, right. And bring us right back into this merry go round of the. Of misery.
Yeah. I mean, this is a great episode thus far.
Mark, with your permission, I would like to end it there because it's been a terrible evening. Has been a terrible evening. It has been a miserable existence as a judge fan.
I mean, honestly, it's just miserable, depressing. And I blame us both because we both have children, and we both allowed our children. At least your daughter's young. Young, and she can still kind of root for another team.
Both of my sons are jets fans, and I've infected them, infected them with this disease that will follow them for the rest of the.
[01:02:04] Speaker C: Yes. Luckily, my daughter is young enough that she went to sleep shortly after the game started and did not have to witness any of that. She will not have to witness any of what is going to happen next week because that is also a Sunday night game.
So, you know, she'll wake up in the morning and she'll say, daddy, did the jets win? And I'll say, no, sweetie, we didn't win.
[01:02:29] Speaker B: Stop rooting for the jets.
[01:02:31] Speaker C: Yeah, but then I'll go, but the Yankees won. And she'll go, Yankees, there you go.
[01:02:36] Speaker B: So. And if anything, that's the. Our silver lining, right? Like, we, you know, we root for other teams. So, uh, we here at the just, just a podcast are thankful to all the listeners who tune in every week. I truly hope you root for other winning teams to balance out the misery. The Mets, the Yankees, shit, even the fucking liberty are kicking ass. Regardless.
[01:02:56] Speaker C: You know, essentially every other team in New York is great, with the exception of the Giants.
We just. We don't yet. We don't have a football team, but all other sports, you know, we're doing pretty well.
[01:03:07] Speaker B: Fucking soccer. Both the Red Bulls and the NYCFC are going to the playoffs, like, everything except football. Everything except football. I'm going to go back to rooting for high school football teams. I'm going to go check out a Bergen Catholic game this weekend. Maybe I'll go see a cardinal haze. I don't know what's the powerhouse, local powerhouse in Long island, but maybe I'll go check out one of those.
[01:03:26] Speaker C: I don't either.
[01:03:29] Speaker B: Regardless, look, we are, we are thankful that all these other jet fans want to be miserable with us and tune in every week because, you know, we've said it before, we'll say it again. You don't choose who you fall in love with. And unfortunately, we made the mistake many, many, many years ago to fall in love with the New York jets. With that from Mark and myself. Thank you for listening. We'll see you next week.
[01:03:55] Speaker C: Here we go.
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