Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Obviously, it's frustrating. You know, we gotta be a lot, we gotta be a lot better. You know, we gotta, got a lot to clean up. You know, it's just week one, you know what I'm saying? We got a long season ahead of us. You gotta give it to them. And they ran the ball very well today. And that's something we gotta get fixed. We got a short week. We gotta look at the fam, learn from the fam and get it together. And I think we got the team, we got the coaching staff to be able to get that fixed quick. You realize all of a sudden you're not there. We gotta go. We gotta go prepare, get better every, every week, every day, every rep, truly, because we're not there yet. They whipped our ass today and that's the reality of it. And we got to find a way to get better. You know, the great teams will bounce back from this and that's what we plan to do.
[00:00:40] Speaker B: Not to correct, but overall, I feel.
[00:00:44] Speaker A: You know, feel good about our guys.
[00:00:45] Speaker C: That the protection was really good tonight.
[00:00:47] Speaker A: We just were a little bit off in the, in the run game. Couldn't get Breese going, couldn't give him enough space.
[00:00:54] Speaker B: But a lot to build on. Three, two, one.
[00:00:57] Speaker C: Here we go.
Rich.
Hi.
It's been 247 days since we last saw the jets take the field for a regular season game.
We thought that we left that behind. We thought we were turning the page. We thought that this year was going to be different. We have quarterback now.
Last game, Trevor Simeons went eight for 2070 yards and no touchdowns.
[00:01:26] Speaker B: Good.
[00:01:27] Speaker C: Aaron Rogers is not that much better today.
That's a great introduction. That's a great intro to the podcast, I guess. Welcome to the judge. Just the podcast brought to you by RCG Digital Media.
[00:01:42] Speaker B: Rich, what a way to start our first full official episode.
We're back like nothing ever changed.
And let's you want to start with the bright side since that'll be quick.
Aaron Rodgers didn't get hurt.
He is yet to finish a game as a jet over to there got pulled for Tyrod Taylor because the game was so out of hand. But hey, he wasn't carted off. So that alone is progress.
Garrett Wilson for a few moments looked like the truth.
I think that connection will continue to get better as they shake the rust off, but that's pretty much, in my opinion, where the positives end is that neither of those dudes got hurt. And that's pretty much it.
This was incredibly disheartening. I think after so much hype look, the Niners are really good. They're not that fucking good. And I think the, the thing is, and you'll hope that when the jets play some better teams later in the year, they'll be a little bit more polished.
But, you know, if you have aspirations to make the playoffs, to make a run, to potentially be a Super bowl team, you can't get waxed by playoff teams. You should at least be competitive. And it doesn't mean the season's over and it doesn't mean we're all completely wrong about this team and they're going to win six, seven games. But, man, like, does it suck to get kicked in the balls much like Michael Clemens did in the first game of the year in front of the entire country when everybody is waiting for the New York jets to fuck it up?
[00:03:29] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:03:29] Speaker B: And for one week, at least, they did.
[00:03:32] Speaker C: And that's the thing that, that pisses me off. Right? You said a few things that just, like, irked me, irked me to no end. And it's.
[00:03:41] Speaker B: Sorry.
[00:03:42] Speaker C: And this, the self inflicted wounds. And it's the doing it on a national spotlight, doing it to a team that is not at full strength, doing it in front of everyone. And basically my expectations coming into the season were being competitive in every game, giving ourselves a shot to win every game. And that's. We couldn't clear that bar today, right? We could not clear that bar today. We continue to make the same mistakes. We couldn't tackle like that. Tackling is a thing, is the, is a thing that you work on, right? It's the basic fundamentals of football. It's the first thing they teach you in peewee football, how to tackle, how to get an angle, how to not over pursue and how to drive the other player backwards. We are seem to be incapable of doing that time and time again. Our best player, Quinn and Will Quinn and Williams, could not bring Brock purdy down, could not simply make a tackle for, you know, a sack that would have put him out of field goal range.
[00:04:44] Speaker B: Instead, Solomon Thomas whiffed on one.
[00:04:47] Speaker C: I mean, and it's, and it goes back. And I know we're going to talk about coaching later on in the show. I know we're going to go deep into coaching a little bit. But I, when you sit up there and you decide to hold all of your players out of every preseason game and you keep telling us over and over again how hard you are going in training camp, how competitive and how physical this training camp has been, and I don't doubt that it is. But where is the proof that all that work is actually functioning right like that? I don't see a polished team. You said pop, where's the polish? Where is the, the competitiveness? Where is every single tackle? It felt like they were being driven forward. Like there was no, like, push there. I very, a handful of plays where a Jets, a defense, the defensive player would drive a 49 ers player back. Very few. Every single, I mean, I think I wrote in our group chat, I've, I feel like they're just getting tackled and still falling forward and it's just like, it's disheartening. It's demoralizing. Jordan Mason. Jordan Mason. The kid had more carries in this game than he did in college, his entire college career, and he torched us.
Positive, I guess. I guess Tony Adams led the team in tackles.
[00:06:12] Speaker B: Somebody had to.
[00:06:15] Speaker C: Yeah, well, him and CJ tied for eight, but still, like, it's just bro.
[00:06:21] Speaker B: To me, though, that kind of tells, like, you know, it's, it's not always this way, but when I'm like, oh, a defensive back led the team in tackles. In a game where the ball was run so much, that probably means that the running back was getting through the line and into the secondary way too often. And we really saw that the whole game.
And, yeah, you, you said, you know, jordan mason, what was it, about an hour or so before kickoff, we find out Christian mcCaffrey's not going to play. We're thinking like, wow, you know, most of us picked the jets to win this game when we thought he was going to play. In our newsletter this morning, we had the three of us doing predictions, you, me and mark, as well as my other writer, ryan.
Three out of the four of us picked the jets to win thinking McCaffrey was going to play.
When we hear that news, it's like, okay, like, maybe they are going to win this game, like, kind of comfortably. Maybe they're good. Maybe this is going to be the makeup for last year's opener and this is like the jets big coming out party. And, I mean, it was the opposite of that. It's the biggest cliche in football about, like, winning and losing in the trenches, but they got their asses kicked in the trenches and I think that's like the number one takeaway from this game.
It's, you know, it's, we're gonna talk about Rogers, we're gonna talk about the coach, we talk about everything.
But at the offensive line and the defensive line were both really bad. I think the defensive line was significantly worse than the offensive line, and that's pretty much where the game was won for the Niners and loss for the jets.
[00:07:53] Speaker C: They're just tougher. They were just tougher today. They were just more physical. They felt like they wanted it more. They felt more prepared. Look, they were down bodies. Yes, we had some injuries during the game, but we. I even said in my pregame prediction, we had a relatively clean camp. Everybody was safe, everybody was. Nobody on the injury reported consequence, quote unquote. But they were. Ayuk missed with the holdout and clearly he wasn't at full strength. No, their number one offensive option is out for the game. And yet I. They still felt and seemed more prepared, more physical. I mean, it's just incredible how we were just manhandled on, not only on the trenches at all three levels. At all three levels. We were dominated. We were pushed around, we were smacked in the mouth, and we failed to respond time and time. And it's just that that is not a Super bowl winning team. And I know it's game one and. But that, you see that when you are around football and you. You. You see it from Peewee football, you see it from young kids. That kid is aggressive. That kid plays with his hair on fire. That kid's got it. That kid doesn't. That doesn't mean, like, you can't play with both of those kids, but you can see it and it's evident, right? And it's like a quarterback. Oh, that quarterback's good. That quarterback's gonna be great. You see it. It's that it factor. This team does not have that it factor. And it breaks my heart to say it, but it's just like, we don't have any dogs on this team. Like, none whatsoever, man. It's just like, yeah, this. We don't have a Fred Warner who is just going to go out there and make an incredible play and then just get up and just, you know, we were, like, celebrating, like, are you dropping the pass? You didn't play defense. You didn't defend the pass, you didn't have knock it out of his hand. He did not catch it. And Carter gets up and, like, dabs up sauce on the way out. Like, no, you didn't do anything. You were beaten. And if he catches it, that's a touchdown. That's the difference between us and them. They were making plays and feeding off one another. They were physical and tough and running everywhere and just like, growing in confidence, growing as a team, and we were celebrating Aaron Rodgers before the game was practicing his celebration moves, his dance moves, like, come on, man. It's like, jesus fucking Christ.
[00:10:26] Speaker B: Yeah. And, you know, I think an important distinction. Some of the things you're saying. Cause I don't disagree about, like, you know, they're not a Super bowl team or they don't have dogs. I would say the caveat, I would add, at least to ground us a little bit, because we're obviously very upset right now. Don't ground me right after the game. The grounding is just. They don't have these things today.
Who knows what they're going to be later in this season and we'll get on this a little bit more. In the coaching section, to me, they felt incredibly unprepared. Like, you know, I think this is, like, overly used, but it felt like the defense kind of read too much of their own clippings coming into this year because that performance, defensive line, but secondary as well, completely absurd.
And I think one thing we have to hit on before we kind of get into our more formatted part of the show and bring in mark, is what the fuck happened with sauce Gardner? Why was he taken off of the field for a non medical issue for an entire drive where the Niners wound up scoring a touchdown? As of us recording this, I don't think we have that answer quite yet. Sal, I know, is just meeting with the media, so maybe later in the show we'll be able to touch on that a little bit. But that seemed really, really confusing, and it was just one of a lot of things to get upset about tonight.
[00:11:55] Speaker C: Here's my speculation, and here's the speculation that I have. It was the waning moments of the second quarter.
Clearly, he was banged up. In football, you get banged up without being injured, you get hit, you get smacked, you lose your breath, you feel like something's tight, you feel like you're cramping up. There's a multitude of things that happen during the course of a football game that will. You've seen players time and time again, hey, I need a play. Hey, I need this. I come out of the game, and as a coaching staff, you. You trust your players to let you know when they can and cannot go. I suspect that sauce was not injured, but was banged up, and he said, hey, I need a player, too. And if that is the case, come on, bro. You're the fucking best corner, quote unquote, in football. You're a leader on this team. At least you pride yourself to be. And you're a vocal. You're a vocal presence on this team. You're consistently on Twitter. You're consistently trying. You're literally one of the faces on this team. Whenever there's a billboard of the New York Jets, a promo of the New York jets, sauce, gardeners faces on it. And if that is indeed what happened, that is the only explanation for that, because he came in once, they were like, oh, shit, sauce is not in there. Oh, they're about to score. We can't let them score. We got to hold them down to a field. Go, sauce. Get in there, sauce. Are you ready to go? And that's when he says yes. That's when he runs into the field. That's the only explanation. It wasn't a discipline thing. It wasn't. It wasn't anything other than he was banged up. He lost his breath. And granted, Salah might not admit to it because then you question his toughness, and I'm questioning his toughness, and I love sauce, but, like, that is the only explanation that makes sense, that he was banged up and asked for a few plays, and maybe the coaches failed to come over to him and be like, hey, you ready to go? Because players don't check themselves into the games, no matter who you are. They don't say, hey, I'm going in. And you. You go in and take a guy out of you, wait for your substitutions to be assigned to you, and being told when to go into a game. And if a coach failed to co be like, hey, sauce, you good now? Oh, it just been two plays, three plays, four plays. Hey, now they're. Now it's all over Twitter. Now the broadcast is noticing that you're on the sideline with your helmet in your hand. PR had time to speak to the sideline reporter to say that it's not a medical issue. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, that is the only explanation that I can see there. Um.
What a fucking shit show. Sorry, go ahead.
[00:14:24] Speaker D: Sauce actually did just meet with the media, uh, and he said that, um, he did get the wind knocked out of him. So he said that he needed a couple of plays off and that he. When he felt like he was good, he went back out.
[00:14:38] Speaker C: Fuck my fucking life.
That was the.
I mean, that is the only explanation. And it's. And it's just. It goes back to what I was saying at the top. It. Thank you, Mark, for that. Thank you for that update. And it goes back to what I was saying at the top. We do not have dogs. We have. We have a lot of a lot of pomp and circumstance. We don't have, like, actual football players who will run through a wall, stand over you and tell you, yeah, I ran through a wall and made a tackle. Like, we don't have dogs, dude. Like, we don't have that. That. And I hate to say this, but that is some punk ass shit. Like, no, dude. Like, they are literally driving. The game is still semi close, within reach. Granted, we held him to a field goal, and the second half was an abomination, but if they score a touchdown there, it's a complete, not a completely different game.
[00:15:32] Speaker B: Drop that ball that you mentioned, you know, instead of it being 16 to seven, you know, 2020 to seven, and, you know, maybe things get even worse than they did.
[00:15:44] Speaker C: You again. You. You're leaving your team out there. You're the best fucking player. You're leaving your team out there. Right? Like, I mean, we were going to do this, like, cute little, like, oh, player of the game segment, and then we were going to do, like, player who needs to run a mile. We were going to play that, you know, remember the titans? Like, oh, we're going to be perfect in every game, and if we're not, we're going to run a mile. Every fucking player on this goddamn team needs to run a fucking mile, man. Like, seriously, like, it's just. It's. It's. I get it, I get it, I get it. You guys are millionaires. I get it. You guys are on tv or Monday Night Football. Everyone's saying we should go to the Super bowl this year. We have the tools. We have the horses. Blah, blah, blah. Run a fucking mile and get back to fucking basics, because this is some bullshit ass performance that is infuriating and insulting to every single one, and it just reinforces the same old jet shit that is just gonna fucking eat at us. We're gonna hear it on the radio, we're gonna hear it on fucking tv. We're gonna see it in the paper. Every article, every blogger, every podcaster is gonna talk about it, and it's just gonna be fucking shitty.
[00:16:48] Speaker B: Congratulations, Daniel Jones. You just got off the hook for New York sports talk for the rest of the week. Well done, my friend.
[00:16:58] Speaker C: The New York Giants are the happiest of anybody in New York right now. They are like, yes, thank you, them and maybe the Miami Dade Police department, but that's a completely different conversation.
Yeah, we can talk about that or not.
[00:17:14] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, it is. Like you said, it is really frustrating when in the first game of the year, you feel like you have to throw out the game ball type award segments for these shows. We also do game balls in the newsletter. Usually it's one player on offense, one player on defense. And there were a lot of times last year where I had to do this thing of, like, nobody gets it. They all sucked. And it was only in the worst moments, but they were so bad at times last year, I felt like I really had no other option because I didn't want to lie to people. I don't want to be like those certain content creators who are so, like, in the opposite way of, like, toxic positivity.
I like to think we try to stay in the middle and we have our opinions and we have our hot takes and that kind of thing, but it's all genuine and authentic.
And, yeah, in this first game of the year, I feel like I kind of have to do the podcast. And when I write afterwards at 01:00 in the morning in this fucking newsletter that no one gets the game but maybe Garrett Wilson gets one on offense.
[00:18:24] Speaker C: It's funny because were making the rundown for the show and we were making all these plans about, like, the structure and we had, like, you know, segments and then it's just like, we're, like, so fucking demoralized and, like, beaten.
[00:18:36] Speaker B: It doesn't feel like losing.
[00:18:39] Speaker C: It's just like, feels like. And we're just, like, having a bitch session right now. Just, like, fucking complaint. I was. But it's the truth, right? Um, yeah, but let's just try to get back on track a little bit. Let's, um. Uh, we were going to break up the segments into quarters. Um, and let's just jump right into our first quarter segment, which is Aaron Rodgers. Right. We. There's been. I mean, we've been waiting for this for over. Entire year, over 365 days. We've been waiting for this day. We've been waiting for this. Mulligan. Um, we had a ton of questions that we, that we were going to keep an eye out for. Um, first off, like, let's just talk about his health. Um, how to you, in your opinion, how did his, how did he look physically? How did. I had big questions about, like, the arm strength because, like, obviously the legs are super important for throwing football. I wanted to see the zip on the ball and the mobility. But to you, what were, what were some of the things that you were looking out for when you were seeing him being the quarterback for the New York jets for the seemingly the first time?
[00:19:40] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, it sucks. We can't really enjoy it after this first week, but it was cool that we finally got that again, like, little anti climact, climactic with how this game transpired. Yeah, I was really looking for the same thing. I think we all were looking for, like, how's his arm look? But it was really, how's he moving and how is he going to take that first hit? And that was what I was wincing while I was watching the game, especially early on. I think after he got hit a few times and he got back up, my nerves started to settle in that regard. Uh, and that's something I'm grateful for. Like, I think we can now move into the year, and that not be the thing we're, like, nervous about on every single play. You know, it's always going to be in the back of your mind. Uh, and anytime we ever see him get up slow, you're going to go right back to that. But I think we can at least be, like, slightly more at ease. Uh, I thought he looked a little bit slow with his legs, but he's 40 years old. He's coming off an achilles. I was, I didn't, I didn't think he was a statue, but definitely was, like, plotting a little bit more than you're used to with him.
[00:20:55] Speaker C: He ran like a 40 year old on that little roll out. Escape the pressure. He ran like a 40 year old. Yeah, for sure.
[00:21:01] Speaker B: And I'm 33 years old. He ran a shitload better than me, I'll say that. But the arm, and I'm curious what you think. But I thought his arm looked fantastic in terms of just like, the overall ziptainous, uh, a couple of the throws he made, that first, like, completion of significance to garrett was fantastic. That third down throw that he made down a little bit down the field, about, like, 1015 yards with the guy draped all over him. Thought the guy committed PI on him as well, that they didn't call garrett still caught it because he's a beast. And then the free play. Touchdown to lazard.
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But that was a fantastic play. And just like that, that's that headiness, that savviness that you are so not used to as a jet fan watching quarterbacks, but you expected so from that regard, you know, he performed, he performed well. Like, the overall stats, I don't know what they wound up at. They weren't great.
I thought that while the offensive line did not play well, I thought they protected him pretty well. I thought their run blocking was the true like, sin of the evening. And we'll get to that a little bit.
But yeah, overall, while it wasn't the gaudy numbers, he passed the eye test for me, for what I was looking for in this game, for his physical touch. Defense. Yeah. Again, just coming back from the achilles as a 40 year old, like, he still looks like Aaron Rodgers.
[00:22:40] Speaker C: He still looks like a, like an above average NFL quarterback to me. That was the thing that, that I wanted to see. I didn't expect him to light it up. And I think, I think, I don't know if it was SNy or ESPN wrote like, if, if the jets are to be successful or go to the Super bowl, who's going to be the MVP? And the options were Aaron Rodgers, Bruce Hall, Carrie Wilson and I. The first thing that I thought of was like, if Aaron Rodgers is our MVP, something went wrong. And let me tell you why. If he has to be a superhero for us to win games, if he has to throw 400, 500 yards a game for us to be successful, something has gone wrong. Why? Because this team doesn't need, in theory, didn't need that. Right? I said it when I, when I wrote the season preview, I said we won seven games with carcasses. Right? We won seven games with dead bodies of quarterbacks. Right? Like people who could not, who are not NFL quarterbacks, who are not playing in the NFL right now. So if Aaron Rodgers can come in and be good enough to give you three, four wins, play a little magic, win a couple of games for you. We, that means we are an eleven and twelve game winners. But if Aaron Rogers is, you're going to count on Aaron Rodgers coming off an Achilles injury, a 40 year old with a new team, with a new line, with receivers he's never thrown to. If you are going to expect him to throw 3400 yards every single game for you to be successful, then, then we're not going to go anywhere in the playoffs. Because that means our running game isn't working. That means our defense is consistently in shootouts. That means we are always, you know, we're in close games and we're not dominating. That's not a recipe for a very, very strong team. The way we are constructed. If Aaron Rodgers was 25, yes, of course, if Aaron Rodgers was the same age as Pat Mahomes, of course, hands down. But the way we are constructed as an aging team, with this aging offense line.
We talked about it in the episode zero questions at wide receiver. Mike Williams played a handful of downs today.
The same thing that used to happen last year with the carcasses of quarterbacks. With Gary Wilson. He gets lost for large segments of the game. Right. And that scheming, you go away from him and defenses adjust. They do bracket coverages. They roll the coverages his way. You don't find other, and I think I wrote, oh, look, they're trying wide receiver screens. Hey, they're trying creative ways to get him the football. Did you see how they give the ball to Tebow? Samuel, I'm not saying run him out of the backfield, but give me a jet sweep, give me a double reverse, give me a bubble screen, give me a wheel route. Give me something that'll clear up space for him consistently. Not just one drive in the first quarter, a couple of drives in the second quarter, and then when you have to come back to him for a crucial catch, it goes off his hands and it gets picked off or he doesn't make the crucial catch and fourth down. Like, it's just, it's a thing that I was looking for. The chemistry between Aaron Rogers and Gary, and Gary Wilson coming into this game. It's there. It's there, but it's just, but it's the scheme that, that, that I feel. You're nothing treating Garrett Wilson the way you are supposed to treat a number one receiver. You are not treating him as one of your best players on the team. Right. And there's a way of scheming and building your ski offensive scheme around your best players like to try to get them to ball in creative ways. Look at, you know, like, look what they do with Tyree kill down in Miami. Look what other teams do to get the ball to their players in space. And Garrett Wilson needs to be treated as such. He needs to be the focal point of the offense. But the problem is, is that you have Aaron Rodgers at quarterback. So you can't really tell him, hey, we need to build our offensive game plan around Garrett Wilson. He's going to make the decisions. And you saw it time and time again. He comes to the line of scrimmage, he reads the field, he sees it all. Single, high, double safety. Oh, okay, man. Coverage zones on. Oh, he changed the plays at the line of scrimmage consistently. Right? So there is no, like, set game plan that you're following. And I felt like a lot of the, the run blocking schemes were off plays that he audibled out or was calling changes that may be like, oh, this line has a ton of new pieces to it who've never played with one another before. And if you are, like, expecting them to, like right off the bat, gel to the point that you can come to the line of scrimmage, audible out of a pass play to a running play, like it's, it takes some time to get adjusted to the, to the rest of your linemates and, and maybe Aaron should have, like, dialed it down a little bit, but I don't know. But he was in complete control. He was in that I will give him. He was in complete control at the line of scrimmage. He, he read the field well.
But what did you know, like, what do you think were some of the benefits of, of his command of the team on the offensive side of the ball?
[00:28:01] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, it, it felt like for the first time in a long time that the offense, in that regard was not in complete disarray. Again. It was, it was really messy at times. There was a lot, like, there was a lot more three and outs than I was expecting, and I was like, wow, this feels way too familiar for me. I don't, I don't like it. I don't really care for it at all.
But, yeah, in terms of that, like, you know, we mentioned it with the offside touchdown to Lazard, which was his first as a jet. Actually also Lazard's first as a jet.
Oh, my God. Yeah, I think he, I'm pretty sure he had none last year, which is not that surprising. But in terms of that, adjusting things like, like, how many times can you remember Zach Wilson when he actually had the guts to make an adjustment at the line, how it was always, like, he audible into a play that lost like six yards because he just had no idea what he was looking at. And, you know, with Rogers, again, the offense was not great. There's a lot to clean up. And I think we're teasing pretty hard what our second quarter is going to be, which is going to be about coaching. But before we get into that, um, because I thought the play calling was quite bad again, from Hackett. Yeah, that's, that's kind of my thoughts with Rogers. You know, you're hoping he's going to get a little bit more sharp and comfortable over the weeks. Another thing that I think you kind of hit on a little bit, they clearly overemphasize how much Mike Williams was going to play, and they even said he wasn't going to play very much, but he basically didn't play at all. I don't know what his final snap count was. There was a period in the third quarter where I think he had only played like four snaps and a few of them were on one drive. So he basically was not a factor at all.
I. I don't know if they're being just like super, super overly cautious with him or if he's just not recovering as well as they hoped he was. It's kind of hard to tell because these teams lie to you about the health of these guys. You just, you really don't know. Last year, they slow played briefs coming off of his knee injury, although he had a much bigger role to play in that first game, I think even more than they hoped at the time because he ripped off that, like, 80 yard run and they were like, well, I guess we kind of have to play him now.
Oh, our producer mark is correcting me that Alan Zar did have one touchdown last year in that Chiefs game.
Alan Lazard. I can't stand him.
Yeah, that's kind of how I feel. And actually, before we go into our next court and talk about the coaching, I would love if producer Mark could come up, I'd love to hear your thoughts. And just like the first actual game of the Aaron Rodgers era, what you thought.
[00:30:55] Speaker D: Yeah, I mean, I. My takeaway, I had kind of a sense of reverse deja vu where you look at last season and the game plan against the jets was stack the box, don't let them run. They can't pass.
This game felt like Bruce hall can't run the ball. We're going to let you pet. We're going to let you run because Rogers could have checked out of a lot of those runs, but he didn't because he must have seen something that was favorable for them to run the ball. Yeah, they just couldn't. The 40, the 49 ers were basically daring them to pass.
[00:31:35] Speaker C: Yeah, he actually checked into a lot of runs. He checked into runs. Yeah. So 100% agree on that.
[00:31:42] Speaker D: Whatever he was seeing on the field, the 49 ers were showing. Hey, we can give you the run.
We are running the ball very well. We're controlling the clock.
We're going to basically bleed this game from you. So it was kind of a weird reverse deja vu.
[00:32:00] Speaker C: I mean, I. You're. You hit the nail right on the head, Mark. Like, if we are going to be a successful team, we're going to have to be a good running football team again. I go back to my, my statement that I mentioned earlier. If Aaron Rodgers is carrying this team from an offensive standpoint, that means something's going wrong. It's going wrong because it means we're not running the ball and we're in shootouts and we are in close games, but we are built to run the ball, play good defense, and we're supposed to have a quarterback, a competent quarterback, that's supposed to do just enough to get us over the hump. And like, you're, you're right, Mark. Like he. They were daring us, throw the ball and like we were sometimes almost incapable of. And it freaking gave me deja vu.
[00:32:45] Speaker B: Of last season, I think with that question, too. I think let's officially start the second quarter here in the show and talk about that coaching. And yeah, I think the depth chart at receiver, especially with Mike Williams in this state where you really can't play very much yet, is not great. Corley, while they're super high on him and like, that was one of their, like, darlings of the draft that they got. They couldn't believe they got him, clearly, like, he's going to be a bit more of like a developmental guy. You didn't see him on the field very much tonight. Xavier Gibson is like, I think in his best role is like a gadget player on offense and the special teamer that we already see him. I still don't think they use him enough on like trick plays and reverses and screens and stuff. I'd like to see more of that. That again, is like talking about like, Nathaniel Hackett's utter lack of creativity on offense, at least in what we have seen in 18 games now as the offensive coordinator of the Jetse, one with Aaron Rodgers. And yeah, it's really like Garrett Wilson, the corpse of Alan Lazard, although he actually, he did give you something today. Again, the game was kind of over when he did it, but it's more than you saw out of him at any point last year. But if he is your second best receiver, that's not a good position to be in. It's just not. And you know, you're not going to win a lot of games where Bruce hall is averaging 3.4 yards per carry on less than 20 attempts, and that's.
[00:34:17] Speaker C: Because he ripped off a 16 yard run. But his numbers were awful today, surprisingly so.
And I feel like what we have is we have an issue of an identity issue, right? We have an identity issue because of that very, very close relationship between Hackett and Aaron Rodgers.
When you have a veteran quarterback such as Aaron Rodgers, he expects a certain level of autonomy. I even made a joke that, you know, oh, Troy Aidman keeps referencing Hackett's play calling, and it's cute that he thinks he's actually calling the majority of these plays because the truth of the matter is it's Rogers. It's Rogers going to the line, audibleing out, making changes, and he is making the decisions as to what plays are actually being run. I wouldn't even doubt that he's calling some plays in the huddle. Right?
When you have a quarterback who is used to having the ball in his hands, so to speak, he's going to want to throw the ball. He's going to want to go out there, read a defense and identify where his mismatches are and, you know, make that decision himself. Now, when you look at the majority, not the majority, but when you look at those high powered offenses around the NFL, they do, they are schemed. Like, let's take Miami, for example. They do a ton of motion, they do a ton of misdirection. They do a ton of things to get Tyreek Hill and a lot of these very, very fast receivers, the ball in space. Right? They don't expect Tua to come in there and make decisions, predetermined decisions on reading the field. No. They try to figure out ways to remove the decision making from Tua so that he is successful. We don't have that because we are relying on Aaron Rodgers to carry us and make these decisions. If Hackett was not Aaron Rodgers friend, do you think that a more strong minded offensive coordinator with a little bit more creativity say, hey, Aaron, no. In this play, we're going to do a double reverse and we're going to try to bring Garrett off the edge and you're not going to go out there and read. You're not going to try to find a soft spot in the zone. You're going to take this play off and we're going to design it and we're going to scheme it so that we get Garrett Wilson the ball in space? How many of those plays do you think Aaron Rodgers is going to be like? Sure, guys, let's absolutely do that. Let me give up a little bit of the control and let you guys do that, particularly since I haven't played football in 365 days and I'm itching to get back and I'm itching to do what I've been doing for the last, you know, two decades. Like, I feel like that's, that's that. That's that push and pull, right? Yes, Hackett is not creative offensively. And yes, he couldn't do shit last year, the handcuffs on him were because Zach Wilson couldn't do some of the creative things, but you could have schemed things to kind of help ease him. Oh, let's. Now we have Aaron Rodgers, and the difference is. No, I feel like Aaron Rodgers is kind of putting the hank. So Hackett is really just not.
Just not have free will, in my opinion, and this purely an opinion. I don't feel like he's in a place to be successful. And I don't know.
[00:37:34] Speaker B: I don't think you're wrong in terms of, like, that dynamic between the two, but I don't think that makes Hackett any good anyways.
[00:37:45] Speaker C: Right.
[00:37:46] Speaker B: And you can't spell Nathaniel Hackett without Hackley.
[00:37:51] Speaker C: And I. Yeah.
[00:37:54] Speaker B: And I just. I don't think he's a good offensive coordinator at all. I think it's, you know, why he really hasn't done anything outside of Green Bay since, like, he connected with Rogers in the first place. Obviously, things went so horribly wrong for him in Denver. You know, that was, as a head coach, it's a different thing. Guys can be good coordinators and really bad head coaches.
But, you know, I think Hackett was brought in here for one reason, and it was to get Rogers, and they were successful in that. And I don't know if they still would have gotten Rogers without him. Maybe they would have. Maybe it would have been a lot harder to get him to agree to it. We're never really going to know that.
I think if the jets had Aaron Rodgers and a different offensive coordinator that things would be in a lot better of a situation.
But in the real world that we were operating in, where having a different offensive coordinator might not have led to you getting Aaron Rodgers, and I have to choose between the two people that I have. I would still rather Aaron Rodgers be picking the plays than Nathaniel Hackett.
[00:39:00] Speaker C: It's like. It's like a catch 22, right? It's like, yeah, if you do, you're damned if you don't. You. You.
Part of the reason you're. You hit the. You're 100% right. It's sort of like a little baby nepotism. It's the reason why he has a job is because he doesn't challenge Aaron Rodgers and doesn't make Aaron Rodgers do things he doesn't want to do, and he doesn't see any control to him. Yeah, but that's also what makes him bad at his job. You know what I'm saying? Like, those are the two things that the benefit is.
[00:39:27] Speaker B: You got Rogers the drawback is now you gotta listen to this guy call plays as long as Aaron Rodgers is here. And it's like, you have to hope that you can get around that. And that actually leads me to my next question, which is about the head coach overall.
And I particularly am interested in just talking about before we move on to our last two segments, because I know we're already getting a little long winded. Here is where harbor the lack of halftime adjustments. To me, in addition to just how ill prepared they were to start the game, that really bothered me that the team that came out of the locker room was exactly the same one that came into it. There was not a single thing that was done differently from a, some. From like the perspective that we would notice as fans watching it on television. I didn't see a single different thing. There was no different approach. The attitude of the players was exactly the same. The same problems were happening of those missed tackles. The bleeding on defense never, ever stopped. They gave up eight straight scoring drives, and at that streak, only stopped because the game ended. And, you know, kind of the same old, same old. On offense, I didn't see much there. Braylon Allen never really got in the game until the very end. I think you had mentioned right when we were getting ready to record this episode, Robert Sala waits till after the game to say, oh, I wish we would have played Braylon Allen more. Where the fuck was that during the game? How about you go up to Nathaniel Hackett during the game and say, hey, I think we should play Braylon Alan Moore. You know what? Saying it to the media an hour after the game does absolutely fucking nothing.
[00:41:09] Speaker C: So when, no, it does accomplish something, it does. It accomplishes two things in my eyes. Number one, it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you just do not have complete control of your team. Right? That's number one. It just says that, oh, you are just an innocent bystander and things are happening with your team that you personally feel could be helpful. You and everybody watching the game saying, hey, breeze is struggling this game. He doesn't have it. Maybe he needs a break. Oh, we have this bruising, giant running back who looked incredible.
Let's give him a couple of carries or to change a pace, you know, just for the simple fact that, hey, maybe it'll throw the defense off, maybe it'll throw the 49 ers off to see a different personnel out, a different running back out there. They might not be able to anticipate that it's a run or a pass because of the, the package in the formation. Oh, that. You know what? That's coaching, right? That's coaching. You try to trip people up if you are in a particular set with a particular personnel. These guys watch film and they watch tape. They know exactly who and what the play is going to be more than likely.
[00:42:18] Speaker B: And can you remember, switch it up. Single. Can you remember a single two running back set on offense in this entire game?
[00:42:26] Speaker C: No. No. It was almost exclusively.
[00:42:30] Speaker B: Yeah, and how about how unbelievably effective breech hall was last year, splitting out wide and catching passes with way less on offense, both from the quarterback and the skill position players overall?
How many times did he do that in this game?
[00:42:46] Speaker C: I mean, I'm telling you, it almost.
[00:42:48] Speaker B: Never, if at all.
[00:42:50] Speaker C: It's. It's a. Look, I have it here. We ran almost exclusively single back sets. We almost exclusively shotgun sets.
One empty formation the entire game, two I formations and no jumbo sets. I mean, that's asinine to me simply because things are not working.
[00:43:09] Speaker B: And how many bosses.
[00:43:12] Speaker C: Oh, forget it.
[00:43:13] Speaker B: What the hell was that about?
[00:43:15] Speaker C: So when you're head coach, all right, and this kind of connects to my previous point about ceding too much control to the quarterback, when your head coach does not have the autonomy to step in there and say, hey, try something else. Hey, get Braylon in there.
Try something else. Hey, this isn't functioning. This isn't working. Try something else. When your head coach does not have that level of control, it means he has given the entire offense away and given the autonomy and the control to somebody else. Somebody else being Aaron Rogers. And I'm not. This is not me talking shit about Aaron Rodgers, but everybody. There needs to be a level of accountability, right? Nobody is infallible, no matter how smart you are. Nobody knows everything about everything, right? You and I are a co host in this podcast with Mark Woody. If I have an idea, right, and I say it, and you think it's a bad idea, you tell me it's a bad idea, and I say, oh, shit, you're right, it's a bad idea. We were gonna play a jokey sat that you mentioned, hey, this didn't age well, and it's a bad idea. And I was like, oh, shit, you're 100% correct.
[00:44:21] Speaker D: I.
[00:44:21] Speaker C: It's. It's in poor taste. Let's not do it.
[00:44:23] Speaker B: And we only. And you only cried a little bit.
[00:44:26] Speaker C: And I only cried a little bit. And I only bitched and moan a little bit, and I only cursed once. But that's how. That's how things operate. In a, enough. In a functioning team, that's how things operate right now. No one has all the answers. How, how different would it be if Mark is like, no, I am the executive producer. I make all the decisions and you will do what I say. And then Mark suggests something and we're like, oh, shit, we just finished recording mark. We probably should have not done that. And I say it after because I don't have the authority or the, or the control to suggest things while we're recording. That's what's happening. Right? And Salah, that's what's happening with Salah. He is telling us time and time again, oh, we should have done this. We should have done that.
In other words, oh, it didn't occur to me then, or I just didn't have the balls to go and tell Hackett and Aaron Rodgers, hey, we should try this. Right? When, when was the last time, like, a head coach has openly admitted to not trying different things or not. Not, you know, like, not making the changes and the adjustments necessary. You mentioned the adjustment. Second half adjustments.
A head coach needs to be in complete control, man. And I can't just have you having an input on the defense and completely leaving the offense to itself. It never works. It never works that way. It never works.
[00:45:53] Speaker B: You're doing half a job.
[00:45:55] Speaker C: You're doing half a job.
[00:45:56] Speaker B: And, and some of the things he said, like, you know, what you were just talking through about, you know, when's the last time you heard a coach admit to some of these things? It's usually the coaches that wind up getting fired that admit to that stuff.
[00:46:08] Speaker C: It's usually the coaches who end up.
[00:46:10] Speaker B: Yeah, go ahead, Joe Judge, in a more extreme way, rings a bell of just like, in the late stages of his tenure with the Giants a couple years ago, that overly defensive nature of his press conferences, like, got more and more and more that way as the heat kind of built on him until eventually it was like he had that blow up and then they just fired him right then and there because it was so bad.
We're not that, that stage, but there's a ton of pressure on Sala and this entire coaching staff and this front office, and this is the kind of thing that if they don't turn things around, especially early on in this season, if we start seeing more of that, I think that is an indication of the pressure getting to people, and that is not a road that I want us to take.
[00:47:03] Speaker C: Yeah. And look, I'm going to be perfectly honest. We watched the game. We're raw. We're emotional, whatever. We can't really, you know, pinpoint specifically a lot of the schematic changes that could have or should have been done. We could have talked about, like, Braylon, like, we could have talked about certain personnel from the outskirts, from the outside looking in. Right. If tomorrow or the next day, I look at all the. All 22 film and I see some of the changes, I could speak more to that.
But right now, like, what I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt, is that 18 and 34 in 3.1 seasons is not good. It's not good. It's not a winning record.
And I see things happen over and over and over again with Salah. Right. Last year, we were fed this narrative that, oh, he didn't lose the team. They were still fighting. Yes, it's true. But let's. Let's look beyond that, and let's look at the tackling, the missed tackles, which are direct. A direct result of coaching and practicing and emphasizing and keeping players accountable. And when you watch film and you. And you be like, hey, Quinn, and you missed this tackle here, is that happening in the. In. In film sessions? I don't think so. I don't think he's holding players accountable. Because, you know what? If that was truly the case, if those film sessions were actually that fucking brutal, that players are being fucking held accountable by all the coaches, sauce gardener would have not asked to be sitting out four and five players with a fucking tummy ache or losing his fucking breath. You know why? Because he would have been afraid of being fucking yelled at and embarrassed in front of his fucking team by his coaches or being held accountable by the leaders and veterans of the fucking defense. That's how, you know, those film sessions are not run that way. They are run with this toxic positivity that does not win fucking games. Everything is not gonna be always okay. Right? That's not how life works, right? This is a. This. Football, sports in life are all result oriented. Everything you need, like, everything to be qualified or considered successful, you have to prove that you are successful. Right? Just because I make you feel good doesn't mean you're a successful coach. Just because you don't fucking hate me and you want to hang out with me. And our film sessions are fucking. We have, like, fucking, like, handshakes and with the vibes are great, and we're fucking dancing before the game. That's not a good coach, right? Like, that's. It infuriates me to no end that every single fucking time we are out coach, we are sloppier than the other team. Our schemes are shittier. Like, supposedly on paper, we have, we. This was a heavyweight match. On paper, we had similar talent. We kept hearing this is the best roster we've had in years.
[00:49:46] Speaker B: Best roster in the NFL.
[00:49:48] Speaker C: Best roster in the NFL. We are consistently out coached on both sides of the ball, and ultimately that falls on the lap of the head coach.
[00:49:58] Speaker B: And I don't want us to be so doom and gloom in the fact of, like, I think the season outlook has not changed from this one game.
[00:50:04] Speaker C: No, it hasn't.
[00:50:06] Speaker B: No, but we're pissed.
I think you can. I think it can be both things, right? I think everybody's right to be upset as long as we're not like, oh, they're going to win six games now. And I think neither of us are like that. I think that's the kind of shit you're going to get on like WFAN tomorrow and SportsCenter and all the bullshit media at this point.
So, yeah, that's not what we're doing here. We're kind of venting. I think when the jets lose, it's going to be like a therapy session for you guys and for us. And when they win, and they will win and we'll get to what we think is going to happen next week in a few minutes.
[00:50:44] Speaker C: Or will they?
[00:50:46] Speaker B: Well.
[00:50:49] Speaker C: Or will they?
[00:50:51] Speaker B: Or will they.
But yeah, when they do win, this will also act as that, like, celebratory, like, I want to revel in this for a few days kind of atmosphere as well. So.
[00:51:07] Speaker C: No, 100%.
[00:51:07] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. With that, I know we're, you know, for our first podcast going a little bit longer, I think we could transition into the third quarter and we're going to make a bit of a halftime adjustment. Unlike the fucking coaching staff in this game. We're going to talk for, I think, 510 minutes about just the defense. I will say I think we should focus a little bit more on the defensive line as a whole. I think that's the big story.
They did not pressure Brock Purdy at all in this game. And this is not a Lamar Jackson type. That's like, super elusive. You know, this is, you know, a guy that is more of a pocket quarterback than not. He can run a little bit, he can escape, but, you know, he's not that kind of level of elusive.
They only pressured him on three of 16 drop packs in this first half.
They. I don't know what the final tally was. I think they sacked him maybe two or three times. Two of them were by defensive backs. I think there was maybe one and the very end in garbage time perhaps to close things out, but really no sacks of consequence in this game at all. Jermaine Johnson was a complete ghost. Will McDonald was really, really bad. He cannot be in the game on running downs, and that's a hard thing to do because you don't always know when the team's going to run the ball. You can guess, but, you know, sometimes teams can take advantage of that. I think the 49 ers definitely did.
Solomon Thomas whipped on a sack. Quinn and Williams whiffed on a sack. And yeah, they gave up eight scoring drives in a row to end the game, which I can't ever remember seeing. And we've seen some really great defenses for the Jetse and we've seen some really, really awful defenses. That one from the year before Salad joined was one of the worst defense of all time. I don't remember them even doing this.
Similar what you were saying about Bruce hall before is they just can't win football games, that the defense is going to perform like this. They're not that team. I mean, I don't think any team can really perform in the defenses this bad. But the defense has to be a strength for them with football games. The defensive line has to be a strength for them to win football games. That was, you know, one of the big things coming into this year after last year, how great the defensive line was. Such a difference maker wrecked games at times, despite having such limitations on offense.
And, you know, it's going to go back to Hassan Reddick. And there were some, there was one beat writer, and I'm not being shady here. I genuinely forget who it was, said they don't need Reddick. Reddick is a luxury.
Well, what do you think Hasan Reddick is thinking right now? Because to me, it kind of feels like he might have won because of this game.
[00:53:54] Speaker C: 100%. He's, he's.
[00:53:56] Speaker B: That's it.
[00:53:56] Speaker C: He.
[00:53:56] Speaker B: If he.
[00:53:57] Speaker C: And if he doesn't get paid tomorrow, then you are further cutting off your nose to spice your face. Right? And I get it. And I get it. And initially, I completely understood both sides of the argument, right. I completely understood Hassan's wanting to get paid. I, you know, when you.
I get it. I get it. You want to take care of your family, and I get it. And, you know, I get Joe Douglas's perspective. I get not wanting to acquiesce every single holdout because then it sets the tone. And he pretty much said it like, you can't let people basically get away with. And it's. That's not how negotiations work. You know what I'm saying? But, like, at this point, like, who gives a fuck? Like, who has the. Who has the advantage in the negotiations now? Like, Hasan gamble the.
[00:54:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:54:52] Speaker C: Like, he gambled. He was like, oh, shit. If this game, they go out there and they fucking dominate and they don't need me and they have success.
Like, it's a game of poker. It's a game of chicken, really. It's like you. If they have success, then Joe Douglas can kind of put off these negotiations for a little longer. Yeah. That's not what happened. That's not what happened. They were fucking exposed. We knew. We knew coming into the game that they were question marks. I love Michael Clemens not because of his performance on the field, but because he has the. The doggedness, that angry, nasty kind of football player that I kind of enjoy watching play football. Football. Like, I enjoy the idea of Michael Clemens. I enjoy the archetype.
But you like Michael Clemens in theory, right? In theory. A ginormous man that's fucking shows up to those, to the stadium shirtless, and it's mean and it does not hesitate to slam somebody into the ground. I love the idea of him, but the truth of the matter is, he's not a productive football player.
And I get it. I get it. Last year, they asked him to gain weight, to try to put him inside, and then now he's losing the way. And I get all that shit. I get it. I get JJ is not your prototypical edge. He's a speedy guy. I get it. I know McDonald is a project. I get it.
But what the fuck, dude? Like, pay the man. Stop playing around. Like, a performance like today is unacceptable and is not doing anything.
We had three sacks today, one of them being Michael Clemens in garbage time, one of them being Tony Adams, and another one being sauce Carter. Like, not consequential. Not. Not consequential either. Like, they were not big plays. Sacks are supposed to, like, oh, motivate your team and fucking fire up.
[00:56:48] Speaker B: That's two sacks by Adams. And sauce were, like, purdy basically at the line of scrimmage, on a scramble out of the pocket that technically down sacks. But, you know, none of these are, like, consequential. He lost ten to twelve yards on the play, and it wrecked a drive. You know, none of that really took place. And, you know, one thing about Reddick, while we're still on the topic, is how stubborn can you be as Joe Douglas in a year where you're going to get fired if you don't win. And Hassan Reddick can help you win. And I was turning on Reddick. I still think he has not handled this well. I think he's taken some really bad advice going into this, but holy shit, did he luck out, because this is the exact kind of game that he needed to potentially turn the tide in this, and they need him fast, and they need him really badly. And if they don't do it after this game, are they going to do it at all? How much longer can this go?
[00:57:57] Speaker C: I mean, it's. It's all on Joe Douglas, just Joe Douglas now. And Joe Douglas is thinking about all the players he needs who are extension eligible next year and how much money he has to dole out. I get that, but that's not what the concern is right now. The concern is our pass rush going into next week. And, like, Hassan better be waiting for them at Newark airport the moment the plane lands. And he needs to be in a jet uniform, and he needs to be playing next week, because it's ridiculous. The toothlessness which our defense look, and it impacts every single level. Right? When you don't have a pass rush, when you don't have an effective pass rush, it impacts the linebackers, the amount of ground they need to cover, the amount of gaps they need to fill, the amount of tackles they need to make. Then it impacts the safeties, the amount of space they need to come up, and the amount of jitteriness that they have to then impact in the passing game, because you're. You're. You're like, oh, shit. I know. This running back is not going to be tackled at the line of scrimmage. I know it's probably not going to be tackled at the linebacker's position. I need to come up and make these tackles, and by then, like, your whole defensive game plan is out the window. Like sport, Trek has Reddick's calculated market value at $26.4 million a year. Like, that's the average. Um, you know, Leonard Floyd, our friend Leonard Floyd, who ruined our season last year to a year, $49 million. He's 29 years old. Brian Burns signed a five year, $141 million, but he's 25. Joshua Hines Allen, same deal, 26 years old. I mean, who gives a fuck? If you, this season goes to shit and Hassan Reddick holds out, you're fired. Joe Douglas, Sal is fired. Rogers is retired, or playing for the Titans next year. I don't know, but, like, who gives a shit? Pay him now. Cut the bullshit. Bring him in and let's win some fucking football games. Like, that's. That's the thing that just happened. We let Bryce huff go three years, $51 million. We, you know, traded away Jonathan Franklin Myers.
[00:59:58] Speaker B: Like, that's the one that I wonder if we're going to question even more than the huff decision down the line.
It felt inconsequential at the moment. In the moment, it felt strange. But you're like, well, okay, I guess.
And you felt it tonight. And I just wonder, you know, in a month or two, is that something you look back on? I'm like, ooh. Like, that probably was not necessary.
[01:00:26] Speaker C: This officially concludes the therapy session. And then now let's look forward to the following week. Let's look at fourth quarter. Fourth quarter. Let's look at.
The good news is that we are not playing the Niners. That we are playing the hapless Titans.
That is the best news that we can possibly have tonight. I watched their game yesterday. I watched a little bit of their game yesterday. And pretty rough. They're not good.
[01:00:58] Speaker B: Not good. They blew a 17 nothing lead, 17 nothing lead without giving up a single offensive touchdown to the Bears.
Bears defense kind of went crazy late in that game. Scored multiple touchdowns. Yeah. Will Levis really struggled. They do not have Derek Henry anymore. It's Tony Pollard, who's still, like, a good player, but just very, very different.
No more Mike Rabel, which never made much sense to me again. Maybe. Maybe there's some behind the scenes stuff that none of us know yet because nobody else hired him either, which seemed very, very interesting. Like little Brian Flores. Like.
But yeah, the Titans are bad.
You know, the jets, unfortunately, it's a short week for them. They actually have two short weeks in a row to start the season, which I don't love that.
But the Titans are not good. This is a game where you look at it and you're like, okay, you played the Niners. You got your teeth kicked in. That's not how you want to play against good teams. But like, okay, it happens. Like, good teams lose in blowouts to good teams sometimes it does happen.
And I'd rather happen in week one than in week 16. 1718 but now you got to go on the road and you got to beat down on a bad team. Fatten up, get things back on track. Get people like us to chill the fuck out and not tweet about how God hates the jets, if God exists, which I did. And just like, win a nice, easy game. Get some nice flashy stats up there. Get the defense back on track, get Rogers to throw a little bit better, breeze get his yards and just win the game. Look good doing it that I, you know, I, you don't get style points in the NFL, but just for our sake, if you, if it could look a little bit better, I think that would make a lot of us feel much more confident going forward. And then you go into that Patriot game the following week and you should do the same thing.
[01:03:06] Speaker C: I've seen bad quarterback play. I've seen for God knows how long awful quarterback play. But will live is had one of the worst intersections I have ever seen in my entire life. Completely going on the way down, defender all over, his legs wrapped up. He's, as he's falling backwards, he tosses underhand the ball, trying to throw it away into the waiting arms of a Bears defender who ran it in for the go ahead touchdown late in the fourth quarter. It was brutal and I don't know if you guys have seen it, but like the meme is so funny because on the replay he's on his knees and he just does this, covers his, puts his hands on his head like a little child. Like I just broke the mom's vase or whatever. Um, it's, it's funny. Comical. And we better fan up. Like you said on the, on the Titans next week we were going to do a AFC is recap. But the recap, they all won. Everybody won and we lost.
[01:04:12] Speaker B: So there's a recap.
Consider yourself recapped.
[01:04:21] Speaker C: Well, Rich, thank you very much for having this wonderful therapy session. Mark, thank you again for crying. And we digitally held hands.
We were in field position on the ground as the game was going along.
Thank you for all of the jet fans who undoubtedly feel exactly the same way as we do. Better days are coming, hopefully a few wins down the road. This team has a lot to work for, but it is deniable that we have talented players who just need to clean some things up and hopefully that will happen in the next weeks to come. Rich, thank you so much, buddy. I can't believe that you are going to stay up and write a newsletter that's going to go out tomorrow. Kudos to you for that.
But any last final words?
[01:05:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Speaking of which, please check out the Justjets newsletter, justjets.net. we're also just underscore jets over on Twitter. We will be recapping this game. By the time you hear this, that newsletter will be out. That should be on Tuesday morning and then you can check out my predictions along with Roz Mark and Ryan on Saturday morning going into Sunday.
And you can see, yeah. What we think is going to happen in that game against Titans. We'll continue to refine this podcast as we go. I think we'll make these a little bit tighter, shorter, more polished, along with the jets play as we go forward.
[01:06:00] Speaker C: But, yeah, we really, we are going to make adjustments.
[01:06:04] Speaker B: We will make adjustments.
We will go back to the coaching room, we'll all yell at each other, and then we'll all hug and it'll be okay. But, yeah, appreciate you, Roz, for, for driving the ship. Appreciate you, you, mark, and, yeah, all you guys for listening.
[01:06:19] Speaker C: See you guys next week.
[01:06:20] Speaker B: Here we go.
